Trying to Explain Systems Thinking in the Church:. Part 1
I'm often talking about systems within the church to leadership or other ministry professionals. Often they assume I'm talking about logistics or administration, which to be fair are a part of systems, but only a small part. So on my flight from Charlotte to DFW this weekend I decided to throw something together to try to explain it a bit more.
Case Study - You want to change Sunday School to another program in your church. The following list represents SOME of the parts of the average system. Do any of these sound familiar?
1. Mary is a 7th grader. Her parent's loved Sunday School when they were growing up.
2. Approximately 50% of the parents of kids your Sunday School want a break from their kids in the adult Sunday School class.
3. Influential congregation members believe Sunday School works and is the primary means by which "christian education" occurs
4. It's written in your Job Description that you must to have Sunday School and you must lead it.
5. Your congregation values parents and adults more than kids. They entice adults (giving units) by having a great children's minitry.
6. Complaints from parents are functionally considered a priority over biblical values. (or any values for that matter)
7. Values of excellence demand that Sunday School work very well.
8. Bill has been teaching 8th grade Sunday School for 15 years.
9. Your church is pround of points 7, 8, 23,40.
10. Your church has always done S.S.
11. S.S. works when you show a Nooma video, but they don't make Nooma videos fast enough.
12. Not doing S.S. means your church might have to think about why it does youth ministry.
13. Your church doesn't like to think.
14. The kids in SS feel entitled to be catered to.
15. Youth Pastors in your church have traditionally been very inexperienced.
16. The last 3 Youth Pastors tried to change SS and failed. (No one told you this until you had announced the big change to the congregation)
17. Joe, a committed volunteer, wants to change SS like you do.
18. Several parents secretly distrust Joe, for something you will never know about.
19. Because you trust Joe, some parents secretly distrust you.
20. Some of these distrusting parents serve in your youth ministry because of point 19.
21. Fear is a key motivator for parents in your youth group.
22. There's a lot to be afraid of in your city.
23. Your Senior Pastor doesn't think about youth ministry unless you bring it up or if there is a problem.
24. The church thinks that youth ministry is your job.
25. People, especially parents fear loss for their kids. Loss of opportunity, faith, relationships etc. This is strongly tangeble for them in your programming.
26. The church down the street has big attendance in SS.
27. The Music Pastor feels like all the churches musicians belong to her.
28. The Music Pastor has been on staff for 20 years.
29. The Senior Pastor is afraid of the music pastor.
30. Teaching SS is in your job description.
31. Every adult in your church used to go do SS.
32. A lot of parents remember a cool youth pastor in their SS class when they were kids.
33. Your church built SS rooms for your Middle School and high school students to meet in. They have the nicest white boards.
34. "Didn't the trustees just spend $3,500 painting and fixing up the SS rooms?"
35. For much of you congregation, if they can't see kids involved in ministry , the simply believe there is not ministry happening.
36. Kim and Brad only come to SS because they are sooo busy with school activities.
37. Some church members think you only work on Sunday mornings. Why would you want to cancel kid's church?
38. SS is perceived to be church for youth.
39. The church secretary told some parents that you are lazy because you are never in the office.
40. As the youth pastor you buy into 4, 7, 12, 17, 21, 22, 24 and 26 and you are largely unaware of the rest of the points on the list. But you still want to change SS because it's only a "small change" in your Big plan.
41. Your church leadership feels it has a very high value on teens and youth ministry.
42. Your SS budget is $20,000 a year. (that includes your FT salary)
43. You secretly feel inadequate about SS not working and your inability to make it work.
44. You secretly feel like the expert and everyone else is an idiot.
45. SS is one of the 2 things your church counts and equates with success. The other is the # is of people baptized.
46. You think the reason the youth ministry doesn't work is "them". Them = parents and other non-descript people who are working against you and God's plans.
47. Some older folks think teens will be fine regardless of the youth ministry you lead.
48. Your church loves to gossip.
Now here's where it gets fun.
If you are a youth pastor and you are looking at this list you likely have a few responses depending on your personality and a few other things.
1. "I give up" - It can't be done! I'm going to work for UPS.
The Result - You have an inner battle about your calling and it tears you up.
2. "Screw-up!" We're changing SS whether the people like it or not!
The Result - Bye Bye.
3. "I can methodically address each of these issues as tehey are revealed to me then we can change SS.
The Result: Partial change and frustration. What you don't realize is that the sum of these ideas, attitudes, perceptions, behaviors and beliefs actually form something of an eco-system for your church and how it works and how it understands itself. These are the norms of your church. Your church isn't simply 50 individuals / groups with perceptions. (though they are that.) Your church is alive like an animal that will fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo. you can't change the church in a sustainable way without addressing the system. This is why The Riddle Group exists. This is why so many seminars you have the opportunity to attend are waisting your time.
more to come
Case Study - You want to change Sunday School to another program in your church. The following list represents SOME of the parts of the average system. Do any of these sound familiar?
1. Mary is a 7th grader. Her parent's loved Sunday School when they were growing up.
2. Approximately 50% of the parents of kids your Sunday School want a break from their kids in the adult Sunday School class.
3. Influential congregation members believe Sunday School works and is the primary means by which "christian education" occurs
4. It's written in your Job Description that you must to have Sunday School and you must lead it.
5. Your congregation values parents and adults more than kids. They entice adults (giving units) by having a great children's minitry.
6. Complaints from parents are functionally considered a priority over biblical values. (or any values for that matter)
7. Values of excellence demand that Sunday School work very well.
8. Bill has been teaching 8th grade Sunday School for 15 years.
9. Your church is pround of points 7, 8, 23,40.
10. Your church has always done S.S.
11. S.S. works when you show a Nooma video, but they don't make Nooma videos fast enough.
12. Not doing S.S. means your church might have to think about why it does youth ministry.
13. Your church doesn't like to think.
14. The kids in SS feel entitled to be catered to.
15. Youth Pastors in your church have traditionally been very inexperienced.
16. The last 3 Youth Pastors tried to change SS and failed. (No one told you this until you had announced the big change to the congregation)
17. Joe, a committed volunteer, wants to change SS like you do.
18. Several parents secretly distrust Joe, for something you will never know about.
19. Because you trust Joe, some parents secretly distrust you.
20. Some of these distrusting parents serve in your youth ministry because of point 19.
21. Fear is a key motivator for parents in your youth group.
22. There's a lot to be afraid of in your city.
23. Your Senior Pastor doesn't think about youth ministry unless you bring it up or if there is a problem.
24. The church thinks that youth ministry is your job.
25. People, especially parents fear loss for their kids. Loss of opportunity, faith, relationships etc. This is strongly tangeble for them in your programming.
26. The church down the street has big attendance in SS.
27. The Music Pastor feels like all the churches musicians belong to her.
28. The Music Pastor has been on staff for 20 years.
29. The Senior Pastor is afraid of the music pastor.
30. Teaching SS is in your job description.
31. Every adult in your church used to go do SS.
32. A lot of parents remember a cool youth pastor in their SS class when they were kids.
33. Your church built SS rooms for your Middle School and high school students to meet in. They have the nicest white boards.
34. "Didn't the trustees just spend $3,500 painting and fixing up the SS rooms?"
35. For much of you congregation, if they can't see kids involved in ministry , the simply believe there is not ministry happening.
36. Kim and Brad only come to SS because they are sooo busy with school activities.
37. Some church members think you only work on Sunday mornings. Why would you want to cancel kid's church?
38. SS is perceived to be church for youth.
39. The church secretary told some parents that you are lazy because you are never in the office.
40. As the youth pastor you buy into 4, 7, 12, 17, 21, 22, 24 and 26 and you are largely unaware of the rest of the points on the list. But you still want to change SS because it's only a "small change" in your Big plan.
41. Your church leadership feels it has a very high value on teens and youth ministry.
42. Your SS budget is $20,000 a year. (that includes your FT salary)
43. You secretly feel inadequate about SS not working and your inability to make it work.
44. You secretly feel like the expert and everyone else is an idiot.
45. SS is one of the 2 things your church counts and equates with success. The other is the # is of people baptized.
46. You think the reason the youth ministry doesn't work is "them". Them = parents and other non-descript people who are working against you and God's plans.
47. Some older folks think teens will be fine regardless of the youth ministry you lead.
48. Your church loves to gossip.
Now here's where it gets fun.
If you are a youth pastor and you are looking at this list you likely have a few responses depending on your personality and a few other things.
1. "I give up" - It can't be done! I'm going to work for UPS.
The Result - You have an inner battle about your calling and it tears you up.
2. "Screw-up!" We're changing SS whether the people like it or not!
The Result - Bye Bye.
3. "I can methodically address each of these issues as tehey are revealed to me then we can change SS.
The Result: Partial change and frustration. What you don't realize is that the sum of these ideas, attitudes, perceptions, behaviors and beliefs actually form something of an eco-system for your church and how it works and how it understands itself. These are the norms of your church. Your church isn't simply 50 individuals / groups with perceptions. (though they are that.) Your church is alive like an animal that will fight tooth and nail to maintain the status quo. you can't change the church in a sustainable way without addressing the system. This is why The Riddle Group exists. This is why so many seminars you have the opportunity to attend are waisting your time.
more to come
Labels: Riddle Group, Systems Thinking
posted by mark at
1:58 PM
7 Comments:
Mark,
this is an exceptional description of so many of the church cultures youth worker strive to work under...
the most insightful thing is that many times the youth worker being "in" the system or worse a product of the "system" makes the whole MESS that much more difficult to negotiate.
Thanks for taking the time to create this scenario... it helps us understand why "change" is not just questioned but the many dynamics that work against the idea of change.
well, I got a head of myself...
the second sentence should have read...
the most insightful thing is that many times the youth worker being "in" the system or worse a product of the "system" - is completely unaware of the great majority of dynamics surrounding the eco-system that forms and informs his church, making the whole MESS that much more difficult to negotiate.
~f
Mark,
Great list! I have seen much of that and have beat my head against the wall and other people concerning this system.
Unfortunately, most youth guy are young and haven't had the training to be able to just know what they are about and do that. For some guys, sunday school is a part of their paradigm and others not. This would be a great system for those guys. The leadership of the church would also have to be supportive of this system or there is the well known head beating again.
I'm glad to have guys out there like you who are educating some of us though.
So you were #2?
actually, no. anonymous that wasn't me.
great thoughts doug and paul.
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